The Masada Routine

I remember a couple of months before Frankie was born, I was invited to speak at a “women in business” conference put on by CommBank. Over lunch, I got talking to this amazingly successful mum who had barely taken any maternity leave, and simply worked from home in the early weeks with her bub strapped to her chest. She somehow managed to keep her sanity and get enough sleep to run her business and look after bub. Crazy! I asked her what her secret was (because clearly she had one). She said to me: you must read “Save Our Sleep”. So upon my return home from the conference, I bought Save Our Sleep and read it from cover to cover in about a day. I remember raving to my husband, “Don’t worry, we won’t be one of those sleep deprived couples – we will simply put Frankie on this amazing routine and she will be no trouble at all!” Little did I know that EVERY SINGLE medical professional that we met in the first week of Frankie’s birth said do NOT put her on a routine. She is too young.

So out went my dream of sleeping through the night.

As a consequence, when Frankie entered the world, we resisted any kind of routine. We fed on demand, Frankie slept when she felt like it (at very random times during the day and night), and Frankie decided that she would never sleep for more than 3 hours at a time overnight – and even that was rare.

One of the things I loved most about my Masada experience was getting a routine. Super helpful when I was planning on starting to work from home in the fortnight following. There have been a lot of comments and questions on this blog about routines, so I thought I’d take you through what Masada recommends, and what a 24 hour period in Frankie’s life now looks like.

Here are some of the fundamentals:

1. Feed, play, sleep (FPS) underpins Masada’s theory about routines. I wrote about the FPS routine here and here if you’d like to know more.

2. For Frankie, being three months, her recommended wake time (which includes a feed, then a play) is 1.25-1.5 hours. When she hits four months, this can increase to two hours. She is also supposed to have three naps – the first two should ideally be at least two hours, but not more than three hours.

3. Being in the 3-6 month category, Frankie should feed between 5-6 times per day. For Frankie, because she has not yet doubled her birth weight, six feeds is recommended, with the sixth one being the “overnight” feed (between 3-5am).

So with those general rules in mind, here is A Day in the Life of Frankie Rose Dolan.

7am: Frankie wakes up. And if she doesn’t – we are able to wake her. Frankie does like a bit of a sleep in like her father, so there have been occasions where I have had to waltz into her room at 8am to get her day started.

As soon as she wakes, I’ll do a nappy change and start feeding. Masada recommends starting the feed within 15 minutes of waking, so we adhere to that. I mentioned that Frankie is a bit of a runt and we are desperately trying to fatten her up so I will normally spend about 40 minutes breast feeding her. (FYI – Masada says that the milk bar should only remain open for up to 45 minutes after wake time begins to teach bub that milk does not flow on tap). After feeding, we play.

8.15/8.30am: Frankie goes back to sleep. Interestingly, the nurses at Masada said that if she starts showing tired signs before her minimum wake time of 1.25 hours, then it is okay to put her down 5-10 minutes earlier – but only for this first wake time of the day. Apparently, she will be most tired during this wake time because of the big long chunk of sleep she has just had. That old “sleep begets sleep” nugget…

8.30am-10.30/11am. Frankie sleeps. This nap is meant to be the most important one of the day. If Frankie wakes before the two hour mark, we simply resettle her (using the Pat Pat, as explained here), until she goes back to sleep, or has spent a full two hours in bed.

11am: Feed, play.

Playtime!

Playtime!

12.30pm: Second nap of the day.

2.30pm: Feed, play.

Playtime with Dad: The "who can open their mouth wider" competition.

Playtime with Dad: The “who can open their mouth wider” competition.

4pm: Third nap of the day – and the shortest one. We try to get her to do a couple of sleep cycles – so about 90 minutes.

5.30/5.45pm: Wind down. If you have been following this blog, you may remember that this is the only “wake” time where the Feed and Play order is reversed. So upon waking, Frankie has a bath, then some low key playtime, and then we finish up with a feed so she goes to bed on a full stomach.

7pm: Bed.

Frankie being smothered in a goodnight kiss.

Frankie being smothered in a goodnight kiss.

10.30pm-midnight: We do the dream feed within this window – somewhat dependent on when my husband goes to sleep as he is the one that gets her out of bed for this. We keep the room light to a minimum, and only change her nappy if it is busting out with pooh.

3-5am: Overnight feed. We do this on demand – in that whenever Frankie starts grizzling in this time frame, we do another low key feed (same rules at the dream feed about lights and nappy changing).

And then, rinse and repeat!

I’d love to hear what kind of routines your bubs are on, and if you decide to make any changes after reading this post 🙂

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61 thoughts on “The Masada Routine

  1. That’s interesting you got advised not to put your baby on a routine because we got advised they prefer it. My partner and I follow the Save Our Sleep routine and it works for us. Our little one is catnapping at the moment but Tizzie has ways around this. The Masada pat pat works to settle (hardly ever needed) but doesn’t work to resettle. He works himself up too much. The interesting thing is that the SOS routine we are on for his age is pretty much the same as your routine.

    SOS is strictly FPS too except the last one. 7am wake up, feed and play
    8.45am sleep
    11am feed and play
    12.30pm sleep
    2.45pm wake, feed and play
    4.15pm nap
    5.15pm wake and play
    5.45pm bath
    6.15pm feed
    6.30/7.00pm sleep
    10.00pm dream feed
    3-5am night feed on demand.

    • Hi Tenaya,

      I also find that I can settle using pat pat but I’m yet to have it work to resettle and link sleeps.
      What have you found successful to resettle and link sleeps?

      Many thanks

      • Hi Kasia,

        I took Tizzie’s (Save Our Sleep) advice. She says it’s quite common for babies under 16 weeks to catnap as they are still learning to link sleep cycles. She suggests praising them and getting them up when they wake and doing whatever it takes to get them back to sleep. We praise our boy, get him up and put him in the pram/electric swing to get him back to sleep. If that doesn’t work he sleeps on us. Once over 16 weeks, she suggests keeping them up to next sleep time and after a couple of days, sometimes not even that, they’ll learn to just go back to sleep. They’ll do this because they know you’ll be there when they eventually wake up. My boy is under 16 weeks so we follow that rule of thumb and then if he is still catnapping when he’s over 16 weeks we’ll do as she suggests. Other mums I know have done this and it has worked.

    • Thanks for your advise Tenaya. I will try that tomorrow. My bub is 8 weeks, how old is yours? Also, once you link the sleeps (with a pram, or swing or sleeping on you), how many days of this before you see them linking some sleeps?

  2. Hi Amantha

    I’ve been following your posts for a while and have been very grateful for all your feedback. I’m also grateful that you put up a general ‘guide’ to what your day looks like with Frankie – I’ve been wondering how her routine may look on a typical day.
    I come from a corporate background so I thrive on routines, schedule and control – which I am increasingly realising are not the sort of traits that are going to win me mother of the year any time soon (did I mention I’m a control freak..?)!
    Anyway, I have been using a lot of the Masada ‘rules’ with my girl since you started blogging (thankyou). She’s now 9 weeks (a bit younger than Frankie) and I think we are almost over the catnapping but we seem to have new challenges now.
    I must be dense but I just can’t seem to work out the hours of the routine. And while you say Frankie has 3 naps a day, I end up putting my girl down for 3 naps + a catnap. My maths must be terrible but if I stick to 3 naps I always end up with too much time before bed which obviously results in an overtired baby with very poor quality night sleep.

    This is what a ‘typical’ day would look like:

    7am wake up
    7am-8am feed, play (she’s usually tired)
    8am-10am sleep (nap 1 – her best of the day)
    10-11.15am feed play
    11.15-1.15 sleep (nap 2)
    1.15-2/2.30 feed play
    2/2.30-4/4.30 – sleep (nap 3)

    Now 4/4.30-7pm is obviously too long for her to stay awake so I do a quick feed and play to about 5pm and then

    5pm – 5.45 – catnap (nap 4)

    5.45 – 7pm – wind down, bath, feed

    7pm bed

    I don’t do a dreamfeed because she just does not seem to take the feed so I demand feed between 12-1am and 3-5am.

    So I actually have 1 extra nap (albeit a short catnap) in my ‘routine’.

    Does this seem right to you?

    Also did it take a while for Frankie to adjust to the extra awake time? You’ll be moving to 2 hours soon – how do you manage that? My girl is approaching 3 months so I should be stretching to closer to 1.5 hours but all her tired cures (yawning, intense rubbing of eye, hiccups) seem to come closer to 1 hour than the 1 hour 15 minute mark – no idea how I’m going to stretch her to 1.5 hours
    Would love to hear your feedback. And thanks again for your tips.
    I hope the return to working has gone well – I go back in September so I’m a bit desperate to get the sleeping sorted out well and truly before then! And I laughed about your comment regarding SOS – I was so cocky before our little girl was born because id already read SOS and two other books about sleep (cover to cover) – little did I know how hard implementing those routines would be! As my husband keeps reminding me, I didn’t give birth to a robot who sleeps, eats and smiles on demand (…but wouldn’t that be nice lol!).

    • Haha – if only it were so easy! Frankie also used to have four naps, but that changed at Masada -probably took her a few days to get into the new routine. We went from four naps to three by stretching Frankie to 3.5-4 hours between each feed. I know that Masada recommend 6 feeds per 24 hours for 8-12 week old bubs, so I suspect that if you stretch out your feeds, you’ll get to three naps.

      • Thanks Amantha

        Since we’re doing feed, play, sleep and you must feed within 15 minutes of waking, the stretching out of feeds to 3.5-4 hourly is obviously then dependant on longer naps. That is, if baby is awake for 1 hour 15 but only does the minimum 2 hours cot time, then the next feed will be at 3 hours 15-3.5 hours. So to encourage 4 hourly feeds the baby needs to sleep generally more than the 2 hours minimum.

        Do you ever wake Frankie if she’s sleeping too long?

  3. hi amanda,
    i just did my week at masada last week. I have called them to ask a question but they haven’t returned my call yet. My boy is 4.5 months and also entitled to that feed between 3-5. At at masada he took it first two nights then started sleeping through from his dream feed till 7.30ish. since i have been home he kept doing that for another 3 nights and now last three nights he has started grizzling at 4.20ish… i need clarification as to if i just get straight up and feed him (as he is allowed to) or do i try for a settle after ten min as i know he can sleep through!. what should i do. i never discussed this with them!

    i am also finding that he is a little too asleep for his dream feed and its making me thing he isn’t getting a big enough amount to fill him the last three nights. any advice on that too??
    thanks in advance

    Breanne

    • Good question – I’d be keen to know what Masada say! For me, if I hear Frankie grizzle between 3-5am, I just get up and feed her as she still needs the overnight feed. But let me know what they say! And not sure what to do about the DF…maybe try waking your boy up a tiny bit to help him drink? But I guess if he is hungry, he should drink.

  4. Hi Amantha,

    Our routine is pretty much like yours. FPS is the key accept after 7pm. My LO is 5 mths so we are now doing FPFPS – Feed (milk) – Play – Feed(solid) -Play -Sleep. We have 2 naps at 1 1/2 to 2 hrs and 1 catnap at 430pm. We still have 1 night feed around 3am. I think this will drop when he’s older. Our day start around 7am but there are days where we start at 530 am or 8 am.

    I also found that these routine is going out the door when they are having Wonder Week, teething, or having a cold. During these time routine help, but cuddle and kisses are better 🙂

  5. Hi Amantha,

    Whilst my babies are older now (4yr old and 18mth old) I have thoroughly enjoyed reading your blogs and they have given me many funny memories to think about, so thank you for taking your precious time to write them and I am sure they have helped many parents. I followed Save our Sleep also with my both children (the routine is exactly as what you have described) and touch wood I have had 2 great sleepers! Obviously if we were out or had a function etc .. we would use common sense. I do however strongly believe routine is important (not before 3 months of age) as children like to know what’s happening next and what to expect. I think you are doing a fantastic job and one day when little Frankie is 4yrs old and at Kindergarten you (just like me) might me sitting at home in peace and quietly reading blogs and drinking your coffee HOT 🙂

    Good Luck and all the best xx

  6. Hi amantha, thank you so much for your blog!
    Few questions about catnapping. I have a 4 month old catnapper. She settles to sleep well on her own (and responds well to the masada pat pat if needed) however I have not been successful in resettling her after her first sleep cycle once in the last month or so (and even before that it was rare) Once she wakes after 45 mins I leave her for while if she is quiet but she just seems to wake up more and more as the minutes roll on. When I go in and try to do the “pat pat ” she screams the house down until I pick her up.
    So my questions are:
    – how long are you meant to wait before going in to try to resettle?
    – when you use the pat pat for resettling, do you just do it once then walk out of the room and if so how long do you stay out or do you wait till they fall asleep?
    I also have a 2 year old so was wondering if masada had any tips regarding the resettling routine when you have a toddler loose in the house?
    I feel like I’m just wasting my time with resettling (because she does sleep well when we are out in the pram) so am interested to hear what the experts might say!
    Thanks again!
    Emma

    • – You should wait 10 minutes for a grizzle, and 2 minutes for a cry, before you go into resettle
      – For the pat pat, you can stay in there patting for up to 10 minutes. No need to wait until they fall asleep. And if they start up again, then reset the timer as per above.
      – Not sure about what to do with a toddler on the loose!

  7. Hi Amantha. Thanks for continuing to update the blog. It’s a great read. When your husband does the 10pm feed, is he doing that with formula or expressed breastmilk? If breast milk, two questions: 1. How long did it take you to build up enough milk for a bottle; and 2. Did you have trouble getting Frankie to take the bottle? My little boy is the same age as Frankie, but is refusing to take a bottle. Thanks.

    • We have done an EBM bottle in the past, but I am currently using breast for the dream feed. In terms of milk, I was able to build up enough by expressing in the morning, and then sometimes again at night for one dream feed. And yes – we had trouble getting Frankie to take a bottle at first. Tried lots of different types and found that Pigeon worked best for us!

  8. Thanks for your blog, I’ve just discovered it and keen to start the pat pat! Just wondering, when you say dream feed, do you wake Frankie or is she completely asleep? I ask because dream feed means different things to different people. I tried not waking him and feeding but I found he woke more when I did that. So lately I’ve been waking him completely and he’s been sleeping longer stretches. I just wonder if I’m doing any damage by waking him as I know this is the time of the deepest sleep for them. What does Masada say? Thanks

    • We generally end up waking Frankie for her dream feed as her nappy is soaking and we need to change it. Impossible to change a nappy and keep a baby asleep, we find…we find there is no damage done by waking!

  9. Hi Amantha,

    Thank you so much for sharing all the information you have learnt from Masada. I have a 8 weeks old and she only sleeps on my boobs. During the day, she only does cat naps of 30- 40mins for 3 times, which is hardly any sleep. My question is if I switched the feed part to be the first thing after wake, when I put her down to sleep after play, can I use the “pat pat” technique to get her to sleep straight away. Or do I leave her there awake (she prob have no idea what just happen) and wait till she get grizzles for 10 mins and start apply the pat pat technique???

    Thanks in advance…

    Sleep- and Me-time deprived mommy G

  10. Hi, I just have a quick question. My DD is the same age as yours but she is still having 3 feeds, last night it was 4. Bed at 7pm tgen feeds at 9pm, 12am, 3am, 6am and back to bed until 7:30. Did they say anything about babies who want more feeds? She was down to 2 but then went back to 3??

    • No they didn’t…pretty much said that for 3-4 months, they need 6 feeds per day (until they double their birth weight, and you can drop the overnight feed).

  11. Hi amantha, thanks for the update. My boy has started to link cycles after I adjusted his bedding. Seems he was cold. What do you dress little frankie in?

    • We have a Noirot heater going in Frankie’s room which keeps the temp pretty constant at around 20 degrees. Aside from this, she wears a wondersuit and Love to Dream swaddle.

  12. hi Amantha,

    i have been home from Masada two weeks. And my 5 month old was doing great and now has taken a massive backwards step! he isn’t linking his day cycles and more and waking more during the night and not settling himself. he was sleeping through for about 10 nights. we did a bit too much last week and he didn’t have good sleeps and we had to stay away from home for two nights (one on each of the last weekends). Do you think that i have done too much damage to get him back to where he was? I’m not staying put again for a while to try and get good results again. I hope i haven’t stuffed all the good work we had done. I had big results. worried now….

    • No, no – I am sure you haven’t done too much damage. Just go back to basics (I know that Masada nurses have said that to a few mums in my group who have had some problems). I am sure you will see great results again after having an off week.

  13. Hi! Can you tell me if I am to stop the patting technique if I see my daughter is falling asleep or is about to fall asleep or do you just count the pats even if bub falls asleep during the process?

    Also did they say not to worry too much about self settling and ‘re settling if bub is sick or going through a wonder week etc?

    Thanks in advance!

    • Hi Niti – if they fall asleep in the process, there is no need to continue patting. And if bub is sick, Masada said to decrease the time you wait for grizzles when going into the room to resettle. For example, overnight you are mean to wait 20 mins, but only wait 10 mins before going in. Not sure about wonder weeks though…

      • Hi Amantha

        So it’s ok when patting for bub to fall asleep and if doesn’t become an aid? Also do you find there will be sleeps where you have to pay particularly for re settling?

      • Hi Niti – I think it’s OK if bub falls asleep while patting, but it probably means you can stop patting a bit sooner if they are falling asleep. We find that the last nap of the day is almost always the trouble one – it is a rare evening that Frankie doesn’t start grizzling from about 5pm onwards…

  14. Hi Amantha, Sorry to hear about the mastitis, hope it now stays away. Your plan of attack is very thorough!

    Thanks so much for sharing all this information. It had been hugely helpful to me. I am trying the pat pat for the second day with some results. Your video was particularly useful!

    I have the same question as Niti above. Yesterday I did the pat pat and when I left the room my 5-month-old slept for about 8 minutes but then woke angry that I was no longer there patting him. He had fallen asleep during the patting. (This just happened again today!) Was there any talk at Masada about stopping patting early if the baby is falling asleep? Though I find it’s very hard to actually see his eyes in the dark room. Or maybe this is something he will get used to and after a few days learn to just go back to sleep…

    My other question: if he only sleeps for one sleep cycle during a nap and can not be resettled I just keep him up until the next nap time? I am worried about the effects of him getting overtired, harder to fall asleep and stay asleep etc. I guess I will have to try it and see if then actually catches up in the afternoon.

    Thanks again. As you said somewhere on the blog, this technique is really helping my anxiety and emotions about will he or won’t he sleep. It is putting him in charge of learning and deciding to sleep. It gives me a process to focus on rather than the actual sleep and helps my baby feel like his bed is a happy and comfortable place. I am very happy a friend sent me the link to your blog. All the best to you!

    • Yep – you can definitely stop patting if bub falls asleep – half your luck! And in answer to your other question, just keep patting (and then leaving and waiting the appropriate amount of grizzle or cry time) for the remainder of their nap period. I know this means you could be patting/leaving the room/patting, etc for an hour – but apparently that’s how they learn….as exhausting as it is…And so glad to hear the blog has been helpful!

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  16. Hi Amantha, thankyou so much for your blog, I’m finding it really useful, so thanks for taking the time to write and answer all our questions.
    Do you know the suggested ‘wake time’ for a baby who is 7 weeks old? Is it still 1.25-1.5hrs?

  17. Hi Amantha, thank you so much for your blog. My bub is 3 1/2 month old nightmare sleeper. I’m planning to start the Masada technique next week as I have a few quiet days in a row.
    I will be moving him from bassinet in our room to his cot as well as removing the dummy (dreading that the most).
    Just wondering if you think Masada would suggest I stop using the Love to Dream swaddle at the same time? Thought perhaps this might be better to do it all at once and also he could find his hand a little easier to suck as an alternative to the dummy.
    Seems like a lot of changes all at once that’s all. Would appreciate your opinion.
    Thanks again! 🙂

    • Hi Kimberley, I remember that Masada recommended transitioning to having arms out / hands free at four months. We found that with Frankie, when she was in her Love to Dream swaddle she could pretty easily suck on her hands through the fabric which seemed to soothe her. So, I’d say Masada would recommend waiting until four months to have arms out (and have one arm out for 24 hours, and then have the other one out – as opposed to freeing both at the same time – the 50/50 Love to Dream Swaddle is great for doing that). Oh – and make sure that the room with the cot is completely pitch black – that helped us/Frankie so much!

  18. Hi Amantha, I have just discovered your blog – it’s fantastic! My little boy is 4 months and doesn’t sleep for longer than 45mins at a time in the day. At the moment he has 2 hours of awake time before his naps – so naps at 9am, 1pm and then 4:00/4:30. I noticed that although Frankie is older she still only has 1.5 hours awake time. Is 2 hours too long to be awake?

    • I think that two hours of wake time is quite a bit for four months. I think that’s what Masada recommend at around six months. Frankie is almost eight months and is meant to be doing 2.25-2.5 hours of awake time, although more often than not only does a bit over two hours.

  19. Hi Amantha

    Thanks for this awesome post! We have been to Mitcham mother baby unit and they were awesome but suggested not to put bubs on a timed routine. This is not quite working for me and I am gonna try this routine.

    A few quick questions – my little one has been waking up at between 5.30-6 to feed. So to start my day at 7, shd I feed her then and feed her at 7 again anyway? I don’t reckon I will be able to resettle her at 5.30-6 because she would be too hungry!!

    And bubs is feeding 4 hourly. Now if I put her down at 1.5 hours and she sleeps for 2. That only brings us up to about 3.5. What did you do the remaining half hour?

    Thanks for your time!!
    Pearl xx

    • Hi Pearl, Masada would recommend resettling the baby until 6.30am, and then starting the day a bit early (if bub doesn’t go back to sleep until 7am) – but what may happen is that the resettling will work and bub may go back to sleep! And 3.5 hours is fine between feeds – we would definitely have as little as 3.5 hours between feeds with Frankie, depending on how long she sleeps for – so no need to stretch out to four hours!

  20. Hi, it’s great to see that Frankie has a good routine. I went to another sleep school in Melbourne and while the staff there were great and we learnt some resettling skills, I struggled with not having a routine. Have you got a copy of the Masada routine you could send me or is it exactly as you have listed for Frankie?

  21. Hey there!
    Great read, thanks for sharing!
    I have followed the ‘Baby Bliss’ routine which sounds exactly the same and my days are going well except I have him doing 4 naps. After reading some replies above I’m going to try and change that to three. My little boy is 5 months this week and the problem is nights. He goes down around 6.30pm. Then grizzles at 9.30pm so I feed him and go to bed too. Then lately he’s been getting up every 1-2 hours. I did feed him every time to resettle but have stopped that cause I know that’s not reaching any good behaviours. So last night I only fed twice, at 12.30am and 3.30am. But every other wake up was a resettle. Now I read above that you need to wait 10mins for a grizzle? Do I suggest I do that? Also I have a night light in the room, should I switch that off? If so how do I see when feeding etc? Or do I put on to feed? I also still have white noise running in his room, should I stop that?
    Sorry about the million questions, these all over the shop nights are getting too much now.
    Thanks again 🙂

  22. The technique you posted on youtube was a life saver. We started using it at 5 weeks, after despairing the baby would only sleep in the pram with rocking. It took about a week to really take effect, but now at 8 weeks he settles in the cot with not alot of fuss using the technique. Game changer for us, thank you so much for sharing your experience

  23. HI Amantha
    Quick question – you mention a few times that the night feeds were between 3-5am. If bugs wakes up earlier than that… say at 1.30 / 2.00am did you resettle or feed? I do a dream feed at 10.30 (sometimes earlier) as my son will wake up hungry and he can never make it to 3am… which means he wakes up at 1.30, and then often at 5.00 -way too early to start the day!!

    • Hi Sarah – I think Masada would recommend to re-settle and try to stretch bub until 2.30/3am – that way, bubs won’t be waking at 5am and make you start the day so early!

  24. Hi Amanda! I know this blog is from a while back now but it is so useful, thank you! I was wondering two things: 1. Does Masada have a view on the use of a dummy as a soother? And 2. Did they say anything about what happens when you have more than one kid? This makes lock down and staying home for all naps impossible. There are kinder pick ups etc to navigate around so my 8 week old has to do some naps in the baby bjorn or pram.

    • Hi Ann, RE the dummy, Masada recommend getting rid of this as a sleep aid. And RE other kids, I only have Frankie and wasn’t in the group that already had one and had to arrange their schedule around a second or third child…sorry I can’t be of more help on that one.

  25. Hi Amantha
    Thank you so much for your amazing blog! My son and I are booked into Masada at the end of October but out of desperation, trying to implement as much as we can in the meantime. He is currently 5 months old. I have a couple of questions I would be immensely grateful for your response on.
    1. Do you use the pat pat technique at the beginning of the nap or just leave them and then wait for the 10 minutes / 2 minutes etc. If the latter how do they know it is nap time?
    2. We have been using this technique for about a week and it is definitely improving the situation save to say that my son now immediately cries when he goes into his cot – like he knows what is coming. It breaks my heart. Did you have an experience like this with Frankie?
    3. Re resettling – I really struggle to get my son to resettle and am often spending 1.2 hours doing pat pat etc and only getting 40 minutes nap time in. If he doesn’t resettle, do I then get him up and make him stay awake for the full awake cycle starting from the end of the cot time. Or, do I begin the awake cycle starting from when he actually woke up?
    4. On one occasion, my son finally fell back asleep after a marathon resettling period, AT the end of the 2 hour mark. I just let him sleep and then commenced the awake period from when he woke up 40 minutes later. Is that right?
    5. Can you elaborate more on the difference between a cry and a grumble?
    Thanks so much in advance.
    Amie

    • Sure thing – here we go!

      1. I DON’T use the Pat Pat technique at the very start of a nap. Put them in their cot and then leave the room. Start the timer from when they first cry or grizzle after you leave the room.
      2. I had lots of very challenging situations with Frankie, but I found what worked for me was to distract myself or move out of hearing range when I was timing the cries. It can be very heartbreaking though, and still is.
      3. Even if he doesn’t sleep, start the cycle again from when you get him out of bed.
      4. From memory, in theory, if he went to sleep right at the end of the allocated sleep time, you are meant to get him up as it throws out the rest of the day’s routine. However, after a marathon resettling period, I say do what works for you!
      5. If you search the blog, I wrote about it in detail in one of the posts – can’t remember which one though!

  26. Hi,

    I am scheduled to masada when bub is almost 14 weeks old. Im worried now this might be too early as there is sleep regression at 4 months and i am worried that going to sleep school too early will undo all the efforts of masada when the regression occurs. Did yoi experience this?

  27. To extend feeds to 3.5 to 4 hours, could you only do that if she slept more than 2 hrs or did you delay the feed more than 15 mins after waking closer to the 3.5 – 4 hr mark?

    • Hi Tash, I can’t quite remember how I did this – I think I might have waited about 15 minutes after waking to feed Frankie, then extended play time, and also tried to have her sleep for at least 2 hours during her naps.

      • Thank you! Do you remember if they’re allowed to fall asleep at the boob for the 7pm feed? Im actually struggling keeping him awake at all feeds so far!

  28. Hi Amantha
    I know you wrote this blog a while ago, but I stumbled upon your you tube video and then read your blog.
    We’ve been doing the Masada technique you’ve outlined for a week and it’s helped so much already. I can’t thank you enough for sharing your experience!!!
    Our little girl has even gone a couple of naps with some grizzles on off but put herself back to sleep. We do the pat pat with her on her back though because of the way she is swaddled won’t let her be on her side.
    My question is, if you remember, when Frankie woke up after her naps and it has been 2 hrs do you wait to see if she will go back to sleep again for a bit longer or do you go straight in to get her up?

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